Radio Soulwax @ Nation - Very Disappointed

[djkmart]

I went to watch Soulwax last night. I'd been waiting for weeks to see them and my friends and I were literally declaring that last night was going to be "one of the best nights of our entire life". We traveled nearly 50 miles in the car, so as you can understand, we're not from Liverpool, and we don't know the area, much less the venues.

Our tickets said that the gig started at 8pm, even though it didn't actually start till 10pm. Fair enough, that's no big deal, we thought. From looking at the poster there's easily enough time in 8 hours to have the main bands play decent sets with all the smaller acts doing DJ sets before them. You see, we were led to believe that the gig was in one huge room big enough to accomodate the 3000+ people that were there. Imagine our surprise when we got there and found out that you a) didn't even need the tickets we'd paid 20 quid each for, due to the fact that there was a pay on the door policy, and b) the bands and DJs were in different smaller rooms, some of them playing at the same time.

At first we thought, well it's not too bad. We'll have to miss a few acts, like Pendulum, but at least we'll get to watch Soulwax and 2ManyDJs, the acts we came to see. Did we watch them? DId we hell. Due to the fact that Soulwax played in the second biggest area, the room was packed full even half an hour before they were due to go on. After queueing up for the best part of an hour, getting crushed in the mob of people trying to see Soulwax, some guy kicked off and got into a fight with the bouncers, meaning they shut the doors on their already tedious "1 in-1 out" policy. While it's fair to say that only a certain number of people can get into a room before someone gets hurt, the point is, we were led to believe that EVERYONE would get to see Soulwax. It's a case of false advertising. The posters outside Nature depict a night of many different DJ sets followed by 3 headliners - Niteversions, 2ManyDjs and Soulwax. The fact that the poster said that both Niteversions and Soulwax would be playing is a lie in itself, because they only played one set.

We ended up standing through most of Mr. Scruff's set, which to be honest, dragged on, and begged the question, why aren't the bigger bands playing in the main room, where people can see them from the bar and the balcony and all over the place? When we tried to get back for 2ManyDjs, the same thing happened. There was no way we were going to get in.

When I lodged a complaint I was talked over saying that I should have presumed the Soulwax room would have been full hours before they went on. Well, I "presumed" that the gig was going to be in one huge room like a normal gig. I was told to go back into the club and just have a quiet night out with my mates. If I wanted a quiet night out, I wouldn't have paid over a hundred quid in tickets to come to Liverpool to see Soulwax. I would have stayed at home, which prompted the guy to tell me to "go home then". I was told that I had no argument and that basically, I was in the wrong, but all arguments aside, the fact is, I paid money to see Soulwax. I didn't see Soulwax. I'm disappointed, and after speaking to some other people I met last night, I know for a fact that I wasn't the only who felt like they'd been robbed.

We left that night feeling bitter and cheated. It didn't help when one of the "locals" tried to start a fight with me because I was sweating.

Basically, I want some kind of compensation, or an apology, or something to make up for the fact that I've just lost a lot of money over bad business and advertising. I'm going to be lodging a formal complaint, if this message isn't considered one already.

[benji la la]

dry your eyes mate.

[djkmart]

dry your eyes mate.

Alright mate, I'll just dry my eyes on this 20 pound note over here...hang on! Where's it gone??? Oh that's right! I lost it playing Chibuku bingo! ;)

[junior_jax]

my girlfriend was in tears last night after a bouncer pushed her on the floor. not particulary setting the best example to someone's first visit to chibuku.

[nt]

It wasn't a gig, it was a club night.

You weren't led to believe it was in one big room, you assumed that.

Nation's one of the most famous club venues in the country, what did you expect? Did you assume every act was only going to do a short set one after the other?

Have you been out before?

[Gonad]

Basically, I want some kind of compensation, or an apology, or something to make up for the fact that I've just lost a lot of money over bad business and advertising. I'm going to be lodging a formal complaint, if this message isn't considered one already.

Im sorry but its always the way when big acts play at nation. Ways round it would be ask people who they want to see and then only sell certain numbers of tickets to certain people but come on, if you really wanted to see them that much you would have set up camp early doors.

Havent been to nation for a while mainly due to the horror stries on here.

[RikiOh the Average Joe]

I agree with djkmart to an extent, the organisation to get in to the courtyard was really poor. The bouncers were bang out of order. I was gutted when Q bert couldn't make it, but got there on the night and Carl Craig weren't on either?? But sayin' that i had a good night and i thought Scruff was excellent...Proper grandad funk!!

[djkmart]

It wasn't a gig, it was a club night.

You weren't led to believe it was in one big room, you assumed that.

Nation's one of the most famous club venues in the country, what did you expect? Did you assume every act was only going to do a short set one after the other?

Have you been out before?

Thanks for your sarcasm. Yes I have been out before, but no, I haven't been out round Liverpool before, and no I've never heard of Nation. In fact, my ticket said The Barfly on it. We went to The Barfly first and the bouncers outside said the gig wasn't at the Barfly, it was "at that new venue down the road". Well,that "new venue" down the road doesn't make it sound like it's one of the most famous venues in the UK, regardless of whether or not it is, and even so, we have club venues where I live and usually the bands play first, followed by DJ sets through the night. If that was the case, then yeah, maybe we would have stayed in the Courtyard the whole time, there wouldn't have been any reason to leave it.

You say I assumed that it was a gig in one big room. Well, yeah. I mean, can you give me a reason as to why I wouldn't assume that? I've never been to Nation before, I see a huge poster with headlining bands in larger fonts than the smaller DJ sets underneath them, of course I'm going to think there's one stage in one huge room where the bands play one after the other. I'm pretty damn sure that everybody who went there for the first time last night didn't think beforehand: "Hang on guys, what if everyone is on at around the same time in multiple rooms, thus forcing us to inevitably miss at least a few of the acts we paid to see?" The fact is, assumptions are made through the manipulation of advertising. THAT'S WHAT ADVERTISING IS. It's a way of connecting to the general public through media in order to make them think one thing over another. You're now saying that what I and many others thought was one huge all night dance party, was actually just a 20 quid club night made up of lots of little rooms and expensive beer? Wow, cool.

In spite of all this, the night actually was good. It just wasn't groundbreaking. Believe it or not, I quite liked the venue as a club, just not as a venue. Also, Goose absolutely blew me away! :D

[djkmart]

Im sorry but its always the way when big acts play at nation. Ways round it would be ask people who they want to see and then only sell certain numbers of tickets to certain people but come on, if you really wanted to see them that much you would have set up camp early doors.

Havent been to nation for a while mainly due to the horror stries on here.

Now that I've been and seen what the deal is with the place, I'll probably know in future. Having said that, the experience has left me with a bad first impression of the Nation. I'm gutted that it had to happen on Radio Soulwax night.

[jameshkfr]

Err who are niteversions???????????????????????

Niteversions is not a band/act/dj its the name of soulwax's album and also the name used by soulwax/2 many dj's when doing gigs. The night was billed as Niteversionslive presents 2manydj's and soulwax (live).

You many not have needed a ticket but did you know a few weeks ago that it wasn't going to be sold out? No you didn't so you did the save thing and got a ticket.

If your not from round here you should have done your research before hand and checked out what the venue was like. No one said its a one room venue you assumed this.

Sorry you had a bad night but you only have yourself to blame

[jameshkfr]

You've never heard of nation? wtf? Have you heard of Cream before? Well that was the home of cream for over 10 years.

I hope the night hasn't put you off going to chibuku again which is normally held at barfly (which also has 3 rooms). Most clubs i go to have more than 1 room so i think you should keep that in mind if you go out again.

[djkmart]

Err who are niteversions???????????????????????

Niteversions is not a band/act/dj its the name of soulwax's album and also the name used by soulwax/2 many dj's when doing gigs. The night was billed as Niteversionslive presents 2manydj's and soulwax (live).

You many not have needed a ticket but did you know a few weeks ago that it wasn't going to be sold out? No you didn't so you did the save thing and got a ticket.

If your not from round here you should have done your research before hand and checked out what the venue was like. No one said its a one room venue you assumed this.

Sorry you had a bad night but you only have yourself to blame

Niteversions is Soulwax when they remix themselves on stage. Meaning they play their albums but dancier if you will. Now, I'm not saying that it would necessarily make sense for Soulwax to play, and then play again as a remix set, I'm merely pointing out that the poster outside the venue did actually state that this would happen. And before everyone points the finger and laughs at me for thinking that this would be the case, let me state that I'm relaying a compilation of many of the complaints that people were making last night. Other people felt let down by this. Many of those people were from Liverpool and even they said that they were disappointed. In fact, a number of people last night suggested that I sign up for this messageboard and tell people what I thought to see if anyone else had the same problems.

With regard to the tickets, I bought a ticket because I thought it was a gig. It wasn't a matter of being safe. I just assumed you had to. I had absolutely no idea people would be paying for a club night. As I've already said, my ticket said The Barfly on it. Which brings me to my next point, let's say I had done my research and...I dunno, I checked out some blueprints or something...whatever you think research is (by the way, how many people out there extensively research a venue before they go to a gig?), how much good would it have done me? I would have known the ins and outs of The Barfly. Fantastic. And before you say, no, I didn't buy my tickets from Chibuku or whatever. I'd never even heard of them till I got to the door.

If I only have myself to blame, then it's like you're saying, "well, you chose to go to Chibuku, so you've only got yourself to blame for that blunder!"

This just further proves that last night was badly managed and conducted. I mean come on, some guy's girlfriend was reduced to tears. Is that worth 20 quid?

[nt]

some guy's girlfriend was reduced to tears. Is that worth 20 quid?

It depends.

Some girls look stunning when they cry. :)

[djkmart]

You've never heard of nation? wtf? Have you heard of Cream before? Well that was the home of cream for over 10 years.

I hope the night hasn't put you off going to chibuku again which is normally held at barfly (which also has 3 rooms). Most clubs i go to have more than 1 room so i think you should keep that in mind if you go out again.

Nah mate, I've honestly never heard of Nation. I've heard of Cream, but that doesn't really help my case at all. Like I said, it hasn't put me off the venue. I've already said I liked the place. In fact, I really liked it. I spent most of the night up in that little balcony bit with my mates. Now, if I'd done everything I did last night on a fiver, I'd be laughing. But the cost of the whole night seriously outweighed what I felt it was worth, and I'm sure you can appreciate how I must feel knowing that I missed one of my favourite bands.

[benji la la]

also slightly intrigued as to what 'the Nation' is. just Nation will do fine.

grow up la.

[philcharnock]

Hi DJKmart,

Imagine if all the acts were on after each other, would they not have all had 10 mins each? That would be 2 many DJs indeed! I don't think research is needed, it seemed obvious there would be more than one room whether you know the venue or not.

If it was false advertising then so would every other gig with more than one room - you can't be in two places at once so you will always miss something. The amount of times I've been in the same building as a great act and missed them is ridiculous.

And as for Niteversions not being on, what are you on about? You just said in your post that they are Soulwax, who were on. Also letting people in on the door is a legal requirement I think you'll find, not a plot to upset people who bought tickets. It's par for the course at any club night which offers tickets for sale. Imagine you had travelled the distance you did and didn't even get in because the few places on the door had gone.

The price may have been high, but I'm sure the costs that the people you came to see, Soulwax, entail are a big part of that. Such a big line up in a large venue will not come cheap. Believe me, Chibuku price their events fairly.

I can't comment on the door staff. I doubt Chibuku had any control over them.

I'm sorry you didn't have as good a night as you thought you would. Don't let it put you off Chibuku or clubbing in Liverpool. I saw plenty of familiar faces last night, people who keep coming back for more, so they are doing something right!

As a very small part of the Chibuku team, from my perspective it was a fantastic night,
although I literally didn't go anywhere but the main room. Scruff's music was astonishing, the sound has never been better in there and the visuals were great as usual. You can't believe the effort required to put on a club night like that. I havent enjoyed myself in Nation so much in ages. Thanks guys.

[djkmart]

Hi DJKmart,

Imagine if all the acts were on after each other, would they not have all had 10 mins each? That would be 2 many DJs indeed! I don't think research is needed, it seemed obvious there would be more than one room whether you know the venue or not.

If it was false advertising then so would every other gig with more than one room - you can't be in two places at once so you will always miss something. The amount of times I've been in the same building as a great act and missed them is ridiculous.

And as for Niteversions not being on, what are you on about? You just said in your post that they are Soulwax, who were on. Also letting people in on the door is a legal requirement I think you'll find, not a plot to upset people who bought tickets. It's par for the course at any club night which offers tickets for sale. Imagine you had travelled the distance you did and didn't even get in because the few places on the door had gone.

The price may have been high, but I'm sure the costs that the people you came to see, Soulwax, entail are a big part of that. Such a big line up in a large venue will not come cheap. Believe me, Chibuku price their events fairly.

I can't comment on the door staff. I doubt Chibuku had any control over them.

I'm sorry you didn't have as good a night as you thought you would. Don't let it put you off Chibuku or clubbing in Liverpool. I saw plenty of familiar faces last night, people who keep coming back for more, so they are doing something right!

As a very small part of the Chibuku team, from my perspective it was a fantastic night,
although I literally didn't go anywhere but the main room. Scruff's music was astonishing, the sound has never been better in there and the visuals were great as usual. You can't believe the effort required to put on a club night like that. I havent enjoyed myself in Nation so much in ages. Thanks guys.


Hey Phil,

it became apparent that something wasn't right when we saw the poster outside the venue, and there appeared to be more acts on the roster than there actually were on the tickets we had, which said something like: Radio Soulwax presents Niteversions, 2ManyDJs, Qbert, Mr.scruff and Pendulum. Now, the tickets also said the whole thing started at 8, but they didn't actually say when it ended. This being the first time we had ever been to one of these we weren't sure what time it finished, but we'd heard through the grapevine that they went on all night. So when you think about it, it doesn't sound so ridiculous from our point of view that all these acts could be put on one stage. Mr. Scruff ended up playing for four hours or something. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it leads me to believe that time management could have had some revising without upsetting too many people. My main issue lies with the fact that we held tickets in our hand advertising something completely different from what was on show. For people who aren't local to Liverpool, they may not realise that Chibuku operates through The Barfly. A think a little bit more clarity is required in future.

Yes, Niteversions did play, but as I said before, I'm simply compiling what other people have told me to address, and some people were under the impression that Soulwax would play some unaltered material, and then come back for a second set of remixes. Personally, I wasn't bothered by that. I've only ever seen Niteversions play live out of the two, and they absolutely blew me away.

As far as pricing goes, I wasn't referring to the prices set by Chibuku. To be honest, 20 quid for all of the acts on offer was an absolute bargain! In fact, I couldn't believe it was so cheap. The thought of being able to see all those acts for 20 quid was an offer I couldn't refuse. Alas, in the end I only got to see Goose and Mr. Scuff, who, whilst good, weren't worth the 20 quid alone. My problems with pricing are more geared towards the extortionate rates at the bar. If you go to an event like this, you're going to have a few drinks, and when the event lasts all night, you're probably going to have a lot of drinks. But 3 quid a shot is ridiculous! However, like I said, I'm not from Liverpool. I don't know what the prices are like round here, and considering Chibuku has no control over the security at the venue, I'm guessing they don't control the prices at the bar either. I'm merely venting my frustration at spending lots of money on something I simply didn't enjoy.

I've heard that the regular Chibuku venue is the Barfly though, so I'm tempted to return one day for curiosity's sake.

[djkmart]

also slightly intrigued as to what 'the Nation' is. just Nation will do fine.

grow up la.

Wow, you must have combed through all of my posts to find that little gem. Congratulations.

I think I've put up a pretty good critical view of my experience at Nation, so maybe you should take your own advice, grow up and find something constructive to say instead of making fun of my typo and then looking around you to see who noticed how cool you are. Just food for thought, there's no need to be like that.

[richchibuku]

Jesus. you havent heard of nation?

[djkmart]

Jesus. you havent heard of nation?

Nope. And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but not many people I've spoken to round Preston have either.

[BobRoss]

I didn't go on saturday as althoguh I enjoyed the last one it is always the same at Nation.
It seems after Chibuku @ Nation there are similar complaints of bad management on here (even if some are a little niave). Always seems to be too full to be able to move rooms, bouncers being pretty horrible and it is very expensive.

I say keep them at barfly! Always a cracking night there.

[NEILT]

what a load of bullshit, get the venue early sit through the warm up djs and see your act.its as simple as ,i dont understand ANY point your trying to make.some people just want everything on a plate for 20 quid instead of letting go and making the most of the night

[philcharnock]

I doubt all the acts would have fitted on the ticket! You can't blame anyone for that.

Liverpool clubbing is usually as good or better value than any other city, drinks included. You are right, Chibuku don't control the drinks prices.

Do give clubbing round here another go. It's better than Preston! ;-)

[benji la la]

Wow, you must have combed through all of my posts to find that little gem. Congratulations.

I think I've put up a pretty good critical view of my experience at Nation, so maybe you should take your own advice, grow up and find something constructive to say instead of making fun of my typo and then looking around you to see who noticed how cool you are. Just food for thought, there's no need to be like that.


'I think I've put up a pretty good critical view of my experience at Nation'...modest too aren't you. i think you're so called critical view is bullshit, and i wasnt making fun of your typo...the 'grow up part' of my post referred to your 'critical view,' not your ability to spell, or construct decent sentences...although after 'looking around' to see who noticed how cool i am, maybe i should have laughed at that too, so i will now. ha ha fucking ha.

[djkmart]

'I think I've put up a pretty good critical view of my experience at Nation'...modest too aren't you. i think you're so called critical view is bullshit, and i wasnt making fun of your typo...the 'grow up part' of my post referred to your 'critical view,' not your ability to spell, or construct decent sentences...although after 'looking around' to see who noticed how cool i am, maybe i should have laughed at that too, so i will now. ha ha fucking ha.

Getting a little worked up aren't we? I think it's time we all settled down a bit. I'm not going to give you a reason to think any different about my view. It's your opinion.

People who seem to have a problem in understanding where I am coming from are very quick to dismiss everything I am saying as complete bullshit. Well I'm sorry if you feel that way, but I find it impossible for you to determine the circumstances of the situation unless you were there at the time, in the situation.

Others however, and I'm particularly happy to see that it's the people who actually represent Chibuku, have responded appropriately and might even consider what I've said as a possible business opportunity for the future. The thing is, I'm not the only person who felt this way and as a result, I'm hesitant about going to another chibuku gig, whereas had I done everything I wanted to do last night, it would be absolutely no question.

[djkmart]

I doubt all the acts would have fitted on the ticket! You can't blame anyone for that.

Liverpool clubbing is usually as good or better value than any other city, drinks included. You are right, Chibuku don't control the drinks prices.

Do give clubbing round here another go. It's better than Preston! ;-)

I've always thought very highly of Liverpools music scene from when I used to help bands by doing merch and things. I've seen some real talent round there, and I'll probably be back.

[BobRoss]

'I think I've put up a pretty good critical view of my experience at Nation'...modest too aren't you. i think you're so called critical view is bullshit, and i wasnt making fun of your typo...the 'grow up part' of my post referred to your 'critical view,' not your ability to spell, or construct decent sentences...although after 'looking around' to see who noticed how cool i am, maybe i should have laughed at that too, so i will now. ha ha fucking ha.

The fella is just explaining his view point. I think he should be allowed to do that
without people giving him needless abuse.

[nikyT]

Yep research; you could have asked any of us on here before the event what the venue is like, where it is and what the night is going to be all about.

I hope you have learnt from this experience and just spend a little more time finding out about events like this one.

Glad you had a good one in the end! :)

[djkmart]

Yep research; you could have asked any of us on here before the event what the venue is like, where it is and what the night is going to be all about.

I hope you have learnt from this experience and just spend a little more time finding out about events like this one.

Glad you had a good one in the end! :)

I think if anything I've learned from last night. I'd never heard of Chibuku either until we saw the poster, but yeah, I'll recognise the name from now on.

[outlar]

With Qbert and Carl Craig missing the night didn't quite reach the level we'd expect from chibuku. However, if it were a one room event and i had to sit through all that electro all night long waiting for a half hour of scruff and schwarz I'd be complaining :D Despite the disappointment of the missing carl craig, the night was fun, and it was one of the friendliest crowds I've seen at Nation for some time.

Was great to hear Schwarz play "Walk a Mile" in the main room. Came close to the time Mikey Bugz played Moodymann's "Tribute" :) Any time I hear deep house in the main room it takes me back 10+ years :mrgreen:

[Groovy Silence]

Yes, Niteversions did play, but as I said before, I'm simply compiling what other people have told me to address, and some people were under the impression that Soulwax would play some unaltered material, and then come back for a second set of remixes. Personally, I wasn't bothered by that. I've only ever seen Niteversions play live out of the two, and they absolutely blew me away.


is it me, but in all the best gigs the band expands on their recorded mateiral adding to it making it better and more interesting. i think (not having seen niteversions/soulwax before) that they where improvising alot using samples fromother songs, which is the ultimate thing to do live.
also playing the same songs, exactly the same each nigh gets boring for a band afer a while, so they play diferent mixes of them.
i had a good time anyway, the night blew me away.

[sincil]

We had a good night. Got there about 11pm. Was disappointed with the queue to pick up Internet tickets, took about 1/2hr.

Once in though, went straight to the courtyard and stayed there until 6am. I thought the courtyard was better than the last time 2manydjs were on. There was enough room to breathe/dance, even though it was like a furnace, whereas the time before it was like being in a sardine can.

2manydjs/Soulwax/Niteversions was ok, even if the sets were basically the same as at the Werchter festival in Belgium in June.

Didn't see any trouble all night, and all the bouncers I saw were sound.

It was about as good as you are going to get when doing a night at Nation I think.

Cheers!

[the quoon]

another great post-nation thread

[benben]

...and even so, we have club venues where I live and usually the bands play first, followed by DJ sets through the night. If that was the case, then yeah, maybe we would have stayed in the Courtyard the whole time, there wouldn't have been any reason to leave it...

well in situations like this your assuming that its the same across the country an everywhere else. heres the news: variation will happen every where. as for assuming i always say assume-makes an ASS out of U an ME. lesson learnt. hopefully

oh well i was watching dj yoda down in cardiff instead, although it was mainly music from his album i loved every beat only downside to the night some joker pressed the fire alarm halfway through soul of mans set, cutting his set short.

you win some you lose some

[benben]

another great post-nation thread

couldnt agree more

[djkmart]

From the sound of things on these boards, Chibuku is much better at the Barfly than it is at Nation. Correct?

[sincil]

From the sound of things on these boards, Chibuku is much better at the Barfly than it is at Nation. Correct?

Yes, much better.

[Will - chibuku]

In spite of all this, the night actually was good. It just wasn't groundbreaking. Believe it or not, I quite liked the venue as a club, just not as a venue. Also, Goose absolutely blew me away! :D

How did you see Goose if you never made it into the courtyard - Goose were on just before Soulwax. Also - the biggest room in Nation is the courtyard, not the main room. It's called the main room because it's in the middle of the venue.

[benben]

How did you see Goose if you never made it into the courtyard - Goose were on just before Soulwax. Also - the biggest room in Nation is the courtyard, not the main room. It's called the main room because it's in the middle of the venue.

although not being there, i thought thats how the lineup would have gone so yeah how did that happen?

[frenchville]

1. drinks prices are always going to b around 3£, did u really expect anything different?

2.ther was a big sign with who was on an were, so we stayed in main room for a bit then made sure we got into the courtyard for about 12 , thats just plain common sense isnt it

3. i really dont see ur point about the acts, its pretty obvious!!!

4. 2 many dj's were amazing!

5.how very boring stayin up on the balcony all night

6.bouncers were extremly helpful and friendly, even helped a lad get to his feet wen he was wasted.

7.i would av payed double the tiket price just to go in the courtyard

8.i was very hot an sweaty! just the way it shud be! if u wearnt sweatin u shudent hav been ther

9.to be honest i dont think u shud cum to chibuku again, dont really want your type ther

10. if u knew anything about electronic music u would know nation is one of the most famous clubs in the world

[SteMc]

LOL brilliant.

Compensation for being ignorant to the fact one of the most well known club nights, playing at one of the most well known club venues...and you were expecting a 2manydj's "concert"?

What did you think when you saw the lineup? all those people playing a 10 min stint leading up to 2 many dj's?

Whopper.

[a black midget gem]

1. drinks prices are always going to b around 3£, did u really expect anything different?

2.ther was a big sign with who was on an were, so we stayed in main room for a bit then made sure we got into the courtyard for about 12 , thats just plain common sense isnt it

3. i really dont see ur point about the acts, its pretty obvious!!!

4. 2 many dj's were amazing!

5.how very boring stayin up on the balcony all night

6.bouncers were extremly helpful and friendly, even helped a lad get to his feet wen he was wasted.

7.i would av payed double the tiket price just to go in the courtyard

8.i was very hot an sweaty! just the way it shud be! if u wearnt sweatin u shudent hav been ther

9.to be honest i dont think u shud cum to chibuku again, dont really want your type ther

10. if u knew anything about electronic music u would know nation is one of the most famous clubs in the world

nice friendly attitude you have there.

These problems arise when two scenes collide. There isn't much that can be done accept learn from the experience. The running of this night is in line withe the way dance music club nights are ran across the world; spread over several rooms, with live sets somewhere in the middle. It's not false advertising as you are paying to see all acts on the bill and you do get a chance to see most of them.

Going to nation is a tricky one. People new to the club often fall foul of the headliners locking the courtyard out, this isnt a new thing it's been happening for a decade. They know for the next time though and so make sure they're in on time.

The attitudes and responses on this forum when chibuku recieves some bad news are shocking, but to be expected by "die-hards" though I suppose. Those that are so quick to jump down this kids throat cannot assume that everyone knows the ins and outs of every venue or that to know that people woulodnt be able to move freely between rooms. Some of this might be obvious to seasoned clubbers but not so to people new to the scene, especially if they come from a scene that runs itself differently.

[frenchville]

fair points a black midget gem
but the night is still wat u make of it

most of it is general common sense nout to do with how much of a seasoned clubber u r

[Biscanaldo]

Its your own fault for liking 2manyDjs in the first place.

They are overrated garbage.

[frenchville]

i luv people who use the word over-rated
ther popular an draw crowds in. if u dont like them dont listin to them
ther good at what they do.........


musical snobs piss me off!

i like all music.....if i like it , i will listin to it whoever an watever the genre is

carnt go round thinkin ur opinion is the right one all your life

[a black midget gem]

fair points a black midget gem
but the night is still wat u make of it

most of it is general common sense nout to do with how much of a seasoned clubber u r

so it is common sense when going to a club to wait in one room for 6 or 8 hours?

I cannot think of another club I have been to where rooms have bouncers keeping people out. As necessary as it is.

Common sense to me, and I think a reasonable expectation of someone not totally up to speed with how popular a single act might be, would be that you'd expect in a 3 room club to be able to move between rooms pretty much as you want. In fact when they played the masque you could "try" to move between rooms.



and an addition to my original post...

when posts like this crop up people should resist the urge to shoot down the poster as if they're an idiot and instead show some compassion and try to inform them. Shit attitude on a message board reflects on poorly the club you love so much, new people will give it a swerve and it will end up stale.

[frenchville]

gud points
but i dont agree with ur opinion

[a black midget gem]

gud points
but i dont agree with ur opinion

so your saying anyone with "common sense" would know that if they wanted to see an act on lets say 6 hours after going into a 3 room venue that they would have to wait in one room for that full amount of time?

Nonsense.


Of course there are other factors; such as knowing the venue, knowing how popular 2manydjs are, knowing how they compare in popularity to the other acts and what percentage of the 3k capacity will want to see them, knowing when the club opens, how quickly the club will fill up, knowing which room is popular and when...

all of that is common sense... to someone that has been to club nights before and knows something about the dance music scene.

This kid was unfortunate, people knowing the score would have been prepared for this and queuing for the CY wouldnt be the major problem, they just see it from a different way. Infact my mates that have been going to cream for 10 years like myself said they queued for an hour to get into the cy last night and they werent bothered cos they've seen and been doing it for years.

[BobRoss]

so your saying anyone with "common sense" would know that if they wanted to see an act on lets say 6 hours after going into a 3 room venue that they would have to wait in one room for that full amount of time?

Nonsense.


Of course there are other factors; such as knowing the venue, knowing how popular 2manydjs are, knowing how they compare in popularity to the other acts and what percentage of the 3k capacity will want to see them, knowing when the club opens, how quickly the club will fill up, knowing which room is popular and when...

all of that is common sense... to someone that has been to club nights before and knows something about the dance music scene.

This kid was unfortunate, people knowing the score would have been prepared for this and queuing for the CY wouldnt be the major problem, they just see it from a different way. Infact my mates that have been going to cream for 10 years like myself said they queued for an hour to get into the cy last night and they werent bothered cos they've seen and been doing it for years.



Its too late to write what I want to in length.But have to agree with all you have said bmg.
Okay people could do more research and maybe they are a little niave but that doesn't mean you should give them abuse. Some people on here should have a little more respect for what people say. Considering how liberal and open minded 90% of the people are at chibuku that is certainly not refelected by people on here.

[frenchville]

.....or you could just accept the fact that people have different opinions

...am not the one continuing the debate, am just sayin i have no sympathy for people who moan!

stick me in an empty field in the middle of knowwere i'll still have a gud tym

[Tony Montana]

What a ridiculous thread. Djkmart you are an oxygen thief

[djkmart]

What a ridiculous thread. Djkmart you are an oxygen thief

Ok then. Not really sure what that means considering oxygen is...well, you know...free.


And for those wondering how I saw Goose and not Soulwax, we went to try and catch some of Mr. Scruff and take a piss.

Is this where another 14 people tell me I should have known better than to go between rooms at a club night? Well I've already been told off for assuming I was going to a gig, so are these same people going to tell me I should have ASSUMED I wouldn't be able to get back in to the courtyard?

[benben]

Ok then. Not really sure what that means considering oxygen is...well, you know...free.

really..cant you see the hidden meaning?

Considering how liberal and open minded 90% of the people are at chibuku that is certainly not refelected by people on here.

true, but also dont you think that people on here are proud of the club chibuku so that when ever someone slates it that they want to defend it?

[nt]

stick me in an empty field in the middle of knowwere i'll still have a gud tym

As long as they're not having a spelling bee there.

[djkmart]

really..cant you see the hidden meaning?

Well now that begs the question of whether or not you understand sarcasm. You might be being sarcastic now. Sarcasm is a funny one to follow, but lets try and stay on topic eh?

true, but also dont you think that people on here are proud of the club chibuku so that when ever someone slates it that they want to defend it?

I've absolutely no doubt that people are proud of chibuku, but it's not like I didn't put up a fair argument as to why I felt it wasn't that fantastic, and the people that have been calling me a bullshitter, and those who seem to not bother with reading my full post and then asking me questions that I've already answered (example: YOU'VE NOT HEARD OF NATION????) aren't really helping things. That Frenchville guy told me I wasn't the type of person that you wanted inside Chibuku! Well I hope he's not a representative of the club you're so proud of. I didn't know you had to be a certain type of person to go.

[frenchville]

yeh people who go for one reason an one reason only.........the music

not to listin to u moan about the slightest of things

[kimeth]

Cant quite believe peeps are attacking this guy so much. Frenchville, you say in one of your threads that 'chibuku doesnt want his type there' yet you then go on to say that you cant stand musical snobbery??? Bit hypocritical dont you think?? Cant quite believe no one else picked up on that.

I presume the majority of people on here have been going to Nation for a long time and have lived or still live in Liverpool. Having been out to Nation without knowing the ins and outs of the rules that you must follow to get into all rooms before, then I came across the same probs as djkmart...as im sure a lot of other people have. I didnt go on Sat although I did attend the last Soulwax night at Nation and saw some bad fights between bouncers and people outside the coutyard--we decided to stay well clear and stay in other rooms. you do learn from your mistakes, however you cant presume everyone has the same knowledge as you do about a venue or night-especially when uve never heard of it before.


Give the guy a break.

[alex.]

I would just like to point out that nowhere on the posters does it say Soulwax would be playing a 'rock' set as well as niteversions.

All it says is:

RadioSoulwax presents:
2manyDJs
Niteversions live
Boyz Noize
Goose
etc

So if you thought that RadioSoulwax is the band playing music when it's actually just the umbrella name for their whole night, that's not Chibuku's fault, because it's the band themselves who choose to bill it like that, not the club, and it's your own fault for misunderstanding it.

Also, many rock venues have more than one room, they just don't usually run at the same time. If you'd looked at this website before you came, instead of afterwards just to complain, it would soon have become obvious there was a three-room system, from the posts Rich makes saying who's on in each room/

I understand why you're a bit disappointed, but the queues between rooms and other annoyances are part of clubbing in large venues and i can't really see how it can be avoided.

[benben]

i dont want any reaction to this comment but, people in the past that ive seen getting into bother with the bouncers for the queue into nation has been down to them trying to get in when its not possible. if it was me i can see the implications of this i wouldnt mess with security no matter how big i was!

[alex.]

also, why complain about buying a ticket when there are 20 quid tickets on the door? surely your ticket wasn't more than 20 quid, and if it was, it's usually worth it because there's always a chance you might not be able to get in on the door if it's really popular.

[kimeth]

He's only expressing his opinion. Can understand he must be a bit gutted. Cant blame him for not looking on this forum as he has said that he had not heard of Buku before.