Another victory for the lizards

[Coakley]

Complulsory weighing of all children in Liverpool City area to be rolled out throughout the country, phone tapping, mobile tracing, government access to GSM network phone calls sent and recieved on all mobile networks, backdoor monitoring in Microsoft OS, massive increase in the staff at GCHQ listening posts, compulsory injections of un-neccesary child "imunisation" drugs, electronic tags, increased CCTV covergage, passport chipping, national insurance database, compulsory national identity cards......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4856074.stm


....what next???

"Anyone who objects to having a harmless barcode tattooed on them must have something to hide".

[richchibuku]

i was jsut going to ask.

Condoleeza Rice. Lizard or non Lizard?

I say Lizard.

[absolutemoron]

BLATANT lizard! :lol:

[absolutemoron]

What really pisses me off about politics is the way they just don't seem to give a shit about what people actually want. Did we want to go to war? NO. Do we want ID cards/database? NO. Do we ever get asked by politicians our (the people, who they are supposed to serve, not the other way round as this whole ID card thing would suggest) opinions on these matters? NO. And even when we tell them, they just ignore us anyway (see anti-war marches).

They claim that they are democratically elected and they've been chosen to represent us, but in fact when election time swings round, all these really important issues get swept under the carpet, and it becomes a beauty contest with a bit of scaremongering thrown in there, just to make sure they retain/gain their beloved power and keep their super-rich paymasters in the money.

I believe that most people enter politics with a genuine wish to help people, but the higher they climb the ladder, the less they care about the needs population, and the more they crave power and wealth.

[mooney]

i was jsut going to ask.

Condoleeza Rice. Lizard or non Lizard?

I say Lizard.

I say Ghekho

What really pisses me off about politics is the way they just don't seem to give a shit about what people actually want. Did we want to go to war? NO. Do we want ID cards/database? NO. Do we ever get asked by politicians our (the people, who they are supposed to serve, not the other way round as this whole ID card thing would suggest) opinions on these matters? NO. And even when we tell them, they just ignore us anyway (see anti-war marches).

They claim that they are democratically elected and they've been chosen to represent us, but in fact when election time swings round, all these really important issues get swept under the carpet, and it becomes a beauty contest with a bit of scaremongering thrown in there, just to make sure they retain/gain their beloved power and keep their super-rich paymasters in the money.

I believe that most people enter politics with a genuine wish to help people, but the higher they climb the ladder, the less they care about the needs population, and the more they crave power and wealth.

I say well said.

[d.sanchez]

hear hear leo!

[the teapot gnome]

Deffo a lizard,like one of those ones off 'V'

[JoeWhy]

What really pisses me off about politics is the way they just don't seem to give a shit about what people actually want. Did we want to go to war? NO. Do we want ID cards/database? NO. Do we ever get asked by politicians our (the people, who they are supposed to serve, not the other way round as this whole ID card thing would suggest) opinions on these matters? NO. And even when we tell them, they just ignore us anyway (see anti-war marches).

They claim that they are democratically elected and they've been chosen to represent us, but in fact when election time swings round, all these really important issues get swept under the carpet, and it becomes a beauty contest with a bit of scaremongering thrown in there, just to make sure they retain/gain their beloved power and keep their super-rich paymasters in the money.

I believe that most people enter politics with a genuine wish to help people, but the higher they climb the ladder, the less they care about the needs population, and the more they crave power and wealth.


SPOT ON

[tommy_tea]

they can throw me in jail before i get one of those cards...though moving to australia might be a bit more practical...could legally dodge the student loaners there too...

[JoeWhy]

yeah know a few people no the same student loan scam vibe out there, jokes

[Coakley]

What really pisses me off about politics is the way they just don't seem to give a shit about what people actually want. Did we want to go to war? NO. Do we want ID cards/database? NO. Do we ever get asked by politicians our (the people, who they are supposed to serve, not the other way round as this whole ID card thing would suggest) opinions on these matters? NO. And even when we tell them, they just ignore us anyway (see anti-war marches).

They claim that they are democratically elected and they've been chosen to represent us, but in fact when election time swings round, all these really important issues get swept under the carpet, and it becomes a beauty contest with a bit of scaremongering thrown in there, just to make sure they retain/gain their beloved power and keep their super-rich paymasters in the money.

I believe that most people enter politics with a genuine wish to help people, but the higher they climb the ladder, the less they care about the needs population, and the more they crave power and wealth.


SPOT ON


Yep spot on.

There was a choice though: Vote for the parties that opposed the war and ID cards (liberals, socialist, independants) and get rid of Tony Blair.

Instead people voted for Tony Blair and here we are. The same British public will patronisingly laugh at thoise "dumb fat americans who voted for bush TWICE!"

It's the people who let this country down.

[d.sanchez]

living in france right now, i would say that if UK people got up and performed strikes as they do here, the prime minister et al would perhaps listen more.

i am sure that if there was a full on concerted effort to show how p*ssed off people were, things might well be different.

here they have gone bananas over a new working law directive and most cities have endured strikes along with a huge strike on tuesday, another one next tuesday, and general lack of harmony everywhere

now the french PM is on the ropes

people power can work

[Coakley]

living in france right now, i would say that if UK people got up and performed strikes as they do here, the prime minister et al would perhaps listen more.

i am sure that if there was a full on concerted effort to show how p*ssed off people were, things might well be different.

here they have gone bananas over a new working law directive and most cities have endured strikes along with a huge strike on tuesday, another one next tuesday, and general lack of harmony everywhere

now the french PM is on the ropes

people power can work

I agree with you and i've long admired the French for their highly politicised youth and workers but we had a 1million+ march on the capital that was completely ignored.

As I say people need to stop voting for political parties that advocate war, that counts out the Tories AND Labour. Vote for someone else and they'll loose power.

[absolutemoron]

Damo la we had a strike here on Tuesday with all council workers involved - even the Mersey tunnels were shut! That was over the decision to make civil servants work to the age of 65 to get a full pension - yet another decision made without any large-scale consultation.

I know the government have to take unpopular measures to sort out the impending pensions 'crisis', but I don't think it's fair to move the goalposts for people who've effectively signed up for something different.

I can't really see the strike making a real difference to the eventual policy.

Coakley, I didn't vote for either of the warmongering parties but it made no difference. Why? It goes back to the sham that is elections here. Labour and the Tories (and no doubt all the other parties too) are 'loaned' millions of pounds for what is effectively a massive ad campaign, that brushes real issues like the war under the carpet and encourages the population to vote on personality, not policy. Same as what McDonalds do, sponsor football coaching so we think about how great they are for British sport, rather than how they exploit people and destroy massive areas of poor countries, as we hand over the cash for a Big Mac - in exactly the same way elections are just a massive PR stunt. Paid for by cronies who get their back scratched in turn with lordships and massive lucrative contracts for civil projects, paid for by taxpayers, eg the fucking ID cards we don't want anyway!

Ooooh, I'm fair riled now, think I'll go and chuck an egg at Condi! [PS That's a joke, in case you're reading, Big Brother, please don't send in the SWAT team.]

[sik80]

for your chance to throw an egg at condi - 5:30pm today on the catholic cathedral steps...

http://www.condiwatch.co.uk/

[the teapot gnome]

living in france right now, i would say that if UK people got up and performed strikes as they do here, the prime minister et al would perhaps listen more.

i am sure that if there was a full on concerted effort to show how p*ssed off people were, things might well be different.

here they have gone bananas over a new working law directive and most cities have endured strikes along with a huge strike on tuesday, another one next tuesday, and general lack of harmony everywhere

now the french PM is on the ropes

people power can work

The miners tried that in the 80's and got sh@t on from a great height,i know what you're saying matey but it's been tried here before in the 70's/80's and all that happened was the unions ended up with far less power to do anything.
You'd need every union in the country to agree to strike to affect any change and i can't see that happening

[the teapot gnome]

Got all serious there for a bit,i'll be back to making crude jokes shortly

[Coakley]

Totally agree with what Leo just said. Spot on.

[d.sanchez]

yeah i know what you mean (and had forgotten about the uk council strike) but my point was more than here, the french cause controlled chaos that has really slowed up the life here, is all over every medium, is all anyone talks about.

people blockading roads, trainstations, bus stations, taking over universities, blocking unis etc

i think people here can up the ante a bit in the venting of their fury, compared to a sanguine UK protest

leo - do you ever get my emails?!!

[Coakley]

I think it's in the nature of the French though, dating back the the revolutions. They're natural libertarian socialists.

Britain's a protestant capital driven conservative country thats voted in 8 elections for centre right Tory and New Labour Thatcherite policies.

As I said i've got a lot of time for the French. Most Britons haven't got a fuckin' clue and have the audacity to mock the average American. When we do exactly the same thing time and time again.

[generaljimmy]

Coakley is 100% right, the whole French thing is true, they are culturally better equipped to kicking off, and there country doesn’t disagree with people voicing their concerns. Hence strikes over pretty much anything, lorry drivers back in the 90s, the situation at the minute. theyre pissed off, u name it, they ruck over it. They’ve basically been better at it over the years (compare the success of Cromwell to their revolution, which, correct me if I’m wrong, still seems to be fending off any monarchy claims), or their people in power have been worse at preventing it, however you look at it.

Unfortunately in our country that can’t happen, because our society is intolerant towards it. Ever since Thatcher screwed the miners it’s been an issue where the media have shown little sympathy, strikers are looked upon as troublemakers or greedy, look at the perception of the picket liners on the fuel kickoff a few years back, the firemen etc. And the stop the war coalition band marches were admirable and RIGHT, but Joe Public wouldn’t have been happy about paying even more than the currently high escalating prices for fuel etc. Obviously we wouldn’t want people dying over that, but they’d have been easy enough to convince with the whole saddam and wmd thing. Blair could have justified the war to more people a lot better, he just made a mistake about his handling of it.

And whilst it looks like the country is well and truly behind people at the minute for the latest line of industrial action, sadly I think that in 3 or four months time, when people’s kids are missing out on education, when people have to regularly make a massive sacrifice to commute to work then they'll be kicking off. You should work another iver years anyway, you going to live for longer! You should recognise the bhigger importance of our childresn futures rather than your capcity to sit on your fat arse! You can just see the daily mail and the sun getting ready to print the gheadlines and opinions of people now.

Our country is, and always has been, a centre right establishment because we demand things to be alright for us and our families, we don’t see the bigger picture. Which is why we don’t give a fuck about three pound jeans resulting in extortionate and horrible conditions for children in the Philippines, cos we’re law abiding and we buy fair trade coffee. And its why we cant strike or kick off with any ‘real’ success.

[Coakley]

The council strikes are one of just a few that are going to happen. The social workers and teachers are going to go on strike next to name a few.

All of this is to do with pensions and the fact that the government has failed disgracfully to sort out an issue KEY to this country's survival. Worrying about weapons of mass destruction will be of no concern whatsoever to the millions upon millions of people who have absolutely no provision whatsoever for their retirement. When people of this generation start reaching their 60's Britain will resemble a 3rd world country in terms of provision for the elderly.

I note with great interest the fact that MPs voted again today to give themselves MASSIVE retirement funds and to plow millions more tax payers money into their scheme. While expecting the rest of us to work well past 65.

Fuckin' shocking.

[Coakley]

Anyway enough of this political debate.

http://netmode.vietnamnet.vn/dataimages/original/images655773_Cheryl_Tweedy2.jpg


That's better.

[SteMc]

Booooobs! YEAH!!!!

[gavin]

why don't we get a load of explosives and blow up the houses of parliament? it's a crazy idea, but it might just work

[phattannedphil]

The tunnels where shit so Condos Lizard army could mass up in a secure underground environment that would allow them easy access to strike....!

[the teapot gnome]

Turn Channel 5 on now,it's actually good for once,just going over 70's activism