View Full Version : Chibuku review @ the BBC
jamie2233
22-02-2006, 03:46 PM
BBC stepping up their music coverage?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2006/02/21/chibuku_review.shtml
richchibuku
22-02-2006, 03:59 PM
Clearly missing the brilliant performance from the 3 times DMC World Champrions C2C.
benji la la
22-02-2006, 04:45 PM
what a wank journalist. i can write better than that
nikyT
22-02-2006, 04:56 PM
blah clearly someone who doesnt know what the fark hes talking about, except for a few track names, not saying i do, just one point of view. He deffo like, rich says, missed the best bit, C2C and in my case Emmma :cry:
richchibuku
22-02-2006, 05:35 PM
he was on here in the week asking which shwartz brother was playing.
I thought justin was boss.
there was a ridiculous review of a chibuku on the bbc a while back too. something about maverick mitchell playing uk garage in the bar!
richchibuku
22-02-2006, 06:09 PM
the words work experience and media students spring to mind.
johnny Glowsticks
22-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Was he actually trapped in the Barfly or something, with an ear to a wine glass on the wall, whilst the rest of us was having a stormin' time in the rooms that were open?
cockmunch.
nikyT
22-02-2006, 06:26 PM
:lol:
media students eh who'd have em :roll: :P
Laurent
23-02-2006, 05:17 PM
what a wank journalist. i can write better than that
Ah come on, don't be too harsh on him. it's a tough business - especially when you're reviewing a night you were totally smashed at
Kieran
23-02-2006, 05:44 PM
even the worst journalists don't write reviews like that, of things they really dislike?!!!!
he's not going to go far in his business if he continues like that, thats for sure. Somebody mentioned work experience, well i would have thought at least work experience kids would have learnt a few basics first!
...thats just the content im reffering to, the writing style to me reminds me of the essays that were produced by classmates during media studies lessons at 13. That boy should seriously think of changing careers as words obviously aren't his thing!
BBC?! I tell you what, judging by this review, you probably are on work experience, how about a few people file a few reports to your prospective employers about you?
rickyvincenti
23-02-2006, 05:46 PM
Christ that's terrible journalism.
Hint: using flowery language does not excuse lack of purposeful content
Laurent
23-02-2006, 05:48 PM
Yes, its not the best review I've ever read, but I dont think there is any need for this level of criticism.
judging by this review, you probably are on work experience, how about a few people file a few reports to your prospective employers about you?
I see that you feel strongly about this, but bloody hell - it was only a review!!!
Kieran
23-02-2006, 06:00 PM
its only a joke :roll:
Get over it you ass lickers. I've had some great nights at chibuku and some gash ones too. There have been occasions when i had a top night but others i knew hated it. He's not knocking it because he wants to, he clearly didn't enjoy himself. It's his opinion and he's allowed one. If you wanna shag Rich, schmooze him over dinner or something.
badgermushroom
06-03-2006, 12:28 PM
if he's writing such a negative review he should expect a some level of backlash from the buku loyals...
again-justin blew me away. this journalist is obviously a london type who hasnt acclimatised to the fun loving ways of the north...
Ste_Mc
06-03-2006, 01:30 PM
Christ that's terrible journalism.
Hint: using flowery language does not excuse lack of purposeful content
If you cant dazzle them with brilliance...baffle them with bullsh!t.
Horrible review, you could have wrote the actual content in that on a beermat.
Magik
06-03-2006, 02:16 PM
Get over it you ass lickers. I've had some great nights at chibuku and some gash ones too. There have been occasions when i had a top night but others i knew hated it. He's not knocking it because he wants to, he clearly didn't enjoy himself. It's his opinion and he's allowed one. If you wanna shag Rich, schmooze him over dinner or something.
:lol: Thats my favorite post of 2006!
Kieran
06-03-2006, 02:29 PM
Good journalists don't use their own "opinions".
Magik
06-03-2006, 02:33 PM
Good journalists don't use their own "opinions".
Ahh somone with experinence in journalism i presume??Have you read NME??
Kieran
06-03-2006, 02:35 PM
No, I prefer to take MY own opinion on things
richchibuku
06-03-2006, 02:45 PM
**warning *** distinct lack of serotonin in the area.
Please act with due care and attention.
thanks
Magik
06-03-2006, 02:57 PM
No, I prefer to take MY own opinion on things
So i noticed. :lol:
Magik
06-03-2006, 03:00 PM
ooh dear. :lol: "The Last Bastion of Acid House" NME2003 :wink:
Kieran
06-03-2006, 03:21 PM
No, I prefer to take MY own opinion on things
So i noticed. :lol:I'm glad you've been paying attention to the things I've been saying ;)
No, I prefer to take MY own opinion on things
....only because no one else does :lol:
Kieran
06-03-2006, 06:03 PM
No, I prefer to take MY own opinion on things
....only because no one else does :lol:oh no. :cry:
Laurent
09-03-2006, 01:20 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/articles/2006/02/16/chibuku_review.shtml
Someone didnt seem to like Ivan Smagghe and Rob Da Bank either! Is Chibuku ever "shabbily" attended?!
richchibuku
09-03-2006, 01:26 PM
700 people aint to shabby. LOL.
cubicle gangster
09-03-2006, 01:43 PM
He spent the entire review lashing the night based on one cd being 2 years older than the other. Hardly commented on the music, and there was one throwaway aimed at the crowd. Slick.
I'm not licking anyone arse here, those reviews are just plain bad. Reads like its from a wannabie pitchforker who has no idea how to go off on a tangent without it becoming irrelevant.
richchibuku
09-03-2006, 02:52 PM
Nothing like a bit of constructive criticism eh. Love the fabric cd reference.. like the fact that they put a cd out three years ago has anything to do the price of fish.
benji la la
09-03-2006, 04:24 PM
''''By their very nature, club nights attract a certain amount of people who know little or nothing about some of the artists on show.''''
F*UCK OFF TIT
generaljimmy
09-03-2006, 11:12 PM
thyat bloke is talkin a hell of a lof shit there! sompletely off the mark, although maybe he got it right with rob da bank! i reviewed the same night for the student newspaper, and being there rmeber about ten different people completely gushing about smagghe, and a crowd that went completey tits to his set. as they did to slam, who were really good as well.
there will be a better, more balanced review sorted on plastic soup by the end of the weekend. and no fabric cds mentioned, honest
I wasn't even there but I can tell thats not Chibuku. Numpty!
SteMc
10-03-2006, 10:18 AM
By their very nature, club nights attract a certain amount of people who know little or nothing about some of the artists on show. This leads people to assume that attention and energy should be saved for the final act, since that surely is the "best" act of the evening. Except in this case, Ivan Smagghe happens to be the hottest DJ in Europe and Slam quite simply are nowhere in sight of him.
Haha...classic stuff, never seen so much shit written on one paragraph!
adam meade
10-03-2006, 10:19 AM
''''By their very nature, club nights attract a certain amount of people who know little or nothing about some of the artists on show.''''
F*UCK OFF TIT
Whats wrong with this? Seems like a fair enough quote to me. Many a time I've been to Chibuku and didnt have a clue who I was listening to - 'DJ Vadim's Russian Percussion Show' for example. Part of the fun.
adam meade
10-03-2006, 10:21 AM
Should really of read the whole of the quote in SteMc's post beofre I posted- yep the guy is a tit! :lol:
Pedro
10-03-2006, 12:51 PM
Very very poor journalism there, he seems to think that dropping some references to names of djs, tunes and mixes will give his cause some credibility, if he had a bad night, then surely say so, but back it up with saying it is a personal opinion rather than making out like the clientele were not up for it, since everyone I spoke to about the night had a blinder... as for the comment about 'dance friendly music' being played by the Stantons..?!?!? I'd like to know what the hell that means, is it a bad or good thing? Of course they'll play stuff that the crowd will know to get the mood going, since we all go to a club to dance surely? (apart from the beard strokers and taboo and lemonade drinkers at the sides). :wink:
I had an excellent night when the Stantons played, granted I didnt catch any of Tiefschwarz, but JR and C2C were pretty good too, and everyone around me seemed to be having a really good time.
everyone around me seemed to be having a really good time.
That'll have been because of the company.
Oh, hang on...
benji la la
10-03-2006, 01:35 PM
benji la la wrote:
''''By their very nature, club nights attract a certain amount of people who know little or nothing about some of the artists on show.''''
F*UCK OFF TIT
Whats wrong with this? Seems like a fair enough quote to me. Many a time I've been to Chibuku and didnt have a clue who I was listening to - 'DJ Vadim's Russian Percussion Show' for example. Part of the fun.
......no definately i totally agree.....but at least you know you dont know who you are listening to. just dont really think its a very balanced comment, especially for a BBC journalist. dont really think he has a great deal of respect for the fact that the majority of people in there clearly know what they are listening to, this being the main reason they are there.
I think he's got a point. If you're putting on such a diverse night, then I think it's highly likely people won't know much about at least the stuff in one room.
Unlike many people on here, I'm not really into music. I come out for a laugh and usually because theres a resident I know I'll like (Johnny 1 Move/Beat Monkeys) and probably one guest I've heard of.
I'm oblivious to a lot of genres of music, for a variety of reasons, mainly laziness. I know what I like and I like what I know BUT...
I love the fact that when I finally stumble downstairs, I'll find something that I haven't heard before. I was under the impression Erol was scary techno, so I'd give him a miss, but when I went into the Theatre last week I was absolutely blown-away, it was SO good.
Magik
10-03-2006, 01:59 PM
I havent got a clue what im listening to.
Im banned from every Dj box in the country for hanging over the booth dribbling onto the records and shouting "Whaaats disssss tuuuune called maaaaaate??????"
Marc R
10-03-2006, 02:10 PM
Good journalists don't use their own "opinions".
Ahh somone with experinence in journalism i presume??Have you read NME??
yes and it's fucking gash. :twisted:
Marc R
10-03-2006, 02:12 PM
''''By their very nature, club nights attract a certain amount of people who know little or nothing about some of the artists on show.''''
F*UCK OFF TIT
Whats wrong with this? Seems like a fair enough quote to me. Many a time I've been to Chibuku and didnt have a clue who I was listening to - 'DJ Vadim's Russian Percussion Show' for example. Part of the fun.
Many times I've seen Aphex Twin live and wondered what the fuck i was LISTENING to! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Im banned from every Dj box in the country for hanging over the booth dribbling onto the records and shouting "Whaaats disssss tuuuune called maaaaaate??????"
Not for your mixing?
benji la la
10-03-2006, 02:20 PM
you dont go to listen to good mixing :wink:
Magik
10-03-2006, 02:28 PM
Not for your mixing?
They didnt mention that in court, no.
Random1
10-03-2006, 08:27 PM
i'm a bit late to spot this one, but i'll stick my tuppence worth in anyway - the reviews cack, the picture's poo, but hey - at least they managed to cover it. stuffy f*ckers!
generaljimmy
13-03-2006, 09:41 AM
Good journalists don't use their own "opinions".
maybe not in political reports but i think its pretty darn impossible to not to when reviewing a night. and pure objective journalism is a myth that cannot happen.
Kieran
13-03-2006, 10:39 AM
Good journalists don't use their own "opinions".
maybe not in political reports but i think its pretty darn impossible to not to when reviewing a night. and pure objective journalism is a myth that cannot happen.i agree completely. you've got to at least try though...
puzzypower5000
15-03-2006, 04:29 PM
Hello guys, I'm the one who wrote the review of the Slam/Smagghe night at chibuku which along with the Tiefschwarz review (which I didn't write) seems to be causing a slight furore around these parts (well, less so now but still).
Having read through the comments that have been posted about my article I thought maybe it was time to state my point of view. Democracy in action so to speak.
First off, the review wasn't particularly good, I'm the first to admit that. In an ideal world more time would have been spent researching and just writing the damn thing but due to deadline constraints and other obligations it had to be written quite swiftly.
Quite a few of you boys seem to have taken issue with the comments vis-á-vis the crowd and my theory that the crowds response was in some way connected to the set list/gig list. My opinion of the night was simply that the crowd didn't seem that up for it, especially Ivan Smagghe. I'm not saying his music wasn't up to standard (I'm a big fan of his and really enjoyed his set), just that I didn't feel the atmosphere in there was as good as what I have experienced before in Chibuku. As everyone knows, in a club setting the crowd is almost as important as the DJ in creating a good night. Its a symbiotic relationship between two mutually exclusive entities where one is useless without the other. On the night I didn't feel the crowd lived up to their part. Thats just my opinion.
On the issue of opinion, there seems to be some of you who feel that impartiality is requisite of good journalism. The argument over whether such a thing is even possible is for another day, but with the context of review writing, the whole notion of impartiality goes out the door. The whole point of reviewing is to explain whether something was good or not and this can only ever be subjective. Of course you can refer to specific facts such as, "the movie was just plain wrong in its facts" or "Slam's beatmatching was imprecise" to back up your opinions, but there was nothing specifically wrong with what any of the DJ's of that night did. For whatever reason the night (in my opinion) just didn't live up to expectation.
I put forward a potential reason for this, namely that the set list got its priorities wrong. I used the example of Fabric CD's to illuminate this point. Now while that may seem pretty banale to you guys, you need to bear in mind that this is an article for the BBC, not a specialist magazine. There is no point in my writing a technical review which everyone on this board can understand and relate to if no one else on Merseyside understands it. With that in mind I choose some pretty easy to grasp examples to support my points.
By all means keep any criticism coming though.
glen
Kieran
15-03-2006, 04:30 PM
Hey Glen,
Thats a much better review than your first :lol:
SteMc
15-03-2006, 04:38 PM
I dont think that Chibuku got the set list wrong, Slam play a lot tougher that Smagghe and it would be silly having them warm up for an (impending pigeohole :lol: ... ) electro dj :?
alexdjwars
15-03-2006, 04:40 PM
Big up for replying.
Laurent
16-03-2006, 04:03 PM
Yeah I agree... Respect to Glen 8)
Marc R
17-03-2006, 03:44 PM
Glen. Piss off. :wink:
Only joking! :lol:
Tony Montana
21-03-2006, 05:03 PM
I was reading an old review by someone else on behalf of the BBC who thought that A Guy Called Gerald released "Voodoo Rain" (sic)
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